The general has managed to embarrass himself with a single statement.
Indeed, a new record.

 

This is my gun.

I don't own this because I'm a "gun nut."

I don't own this to hunt...or to repel home invaders.

I own this because I'll never let the USA become like the UK where journalists are jailed for daring to report on the trials of Muslim gang rapists.

#FreeTommy

 

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Another one of those "none of those"...


FELON PULLS OUT WEAPON TO THREATEN TWO PEOPLE, GETS SHOT BY CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER


6/2/18

A convicted felon was shot then arrested after using a gun to threaten two men at a Cape Coral, Florida roofing company, one of whom happened to be an armed concealed carry holder.

Kevin Bruzos, 29, had already used a firearm to threaten someone, Cape Coral police say. He then left and returned with the weapon to threaten the same person and another individual. The individual, a permitted concealed carry holder, aimed his weapon at Bruzos and ordered him to drop his gun. Instead of obeying, Bruzos aimed it at the concealed carry holder, “who in turn defended himself and shot Bruzos,” according to Fox4.

In addition to the bullet wound, Bruzos faces charges of possession of a weapon by a convicted felon and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The man who shot Bruzos reportedly acted in self defense and will not be facing charges.

The incident took place at Campbell Roofing in Cape Coral, Florida.


Bruzos’ previous charges were for drug possession, criminal mischief, and third-degree battery.

 

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i do not agree with disarming everybody and neither do the uk or australia, not even close
those two and most other nations put forth a very in depth and time consuming background check process that our government will not ever do because they are mostly bought and paid for by firearms makers/ sellers/ and the NRA
what we do need is a legal system that punishes irresponsibility at all levels, a better education system all around and that includes firearms safety
ownership responsibility laws that state that if the owner allows their weapon to be taken because they did not secure it or report it as stolen or lost they are responsible for all crimes committed with it.
end the 72 hour time limit on background checks and include all offenses, including pending charges and all mental health issues NO MATTER WHAT
add to that check all crimes and charges from military service and while travelling
talk to people who know the applicant and talk to their friends and family and neighbors before issuing a permit to own

in short ensure that those who do get the nod to own are the type of people we want having a gun

 

Back then people like that were laughed at. Now one of them is president.

I did not see that episode. A friend of mine who did told me that after Archie Bunker gave that editorial a man walked up to him and said, "Hey Archie. I saw you on television. I agree with you." Then he pulled out a gun and said, "Reach! This is a stickup!"

Civilized countries have nothing equivalent to our Second Amendment. They have strict gun control laws and low crime rates.

 

So, what will you do if the U.S. government begins to jail journalists "for daring to report on the trials of Muslim gang rapists?" Will you begin to shoot civil servants?

 

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So, Switzerland must be considered very uncivilized in your opinion, huh? Especially those "exploding bordes"?


Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings


3/24/18



Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but little gun-related street crime - so some opponents of gun control hail it as a place where firearms play a positive role in society.


Switzerland hasn't had a mass shooting since 2001, when a man stormed the local parliament in Zug, killing 14 people and then himself.

The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people. In 2016, the country had 47 attempted homicides with firearms. The country's overall murder rate is near zero.

The National Rifle Association often points to Switzerland to argue that more rules on gun ownership aren't necessary. In 2016, the NRA said on its blog that the European country had one of the lowest murder rates in the world while still having millions of privately owned guns and a few hunting weapons that don't even require a permit.

But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.

Business Insider took a look at the country's past with guns to see why it has lower rates of gun violence than the US.

Switzerland is obsessed with getting shooting right. Every year, it holds a shooting contest for kids aged 13 to 17.




Zurich's Knabenschiessen is a traditional annual festival that dates back to the 1600s.

Though the word roughly translates to "boys shooting" and the competition used to be only boys, teenage girls have been allowed in since 1991.

Kids in the country flock to the competition every September to compete in target shooting using Swiss army service rifles. They're proud to show off how well they can shoot.

Accuracy is prized above all else, and a Schutzenkonig — a king or queen of marksmen — is crowned.

Having an armed citizenry helped keep the Swiss neutral for more than 200 years.

The Swiss stance is one of "armed neutrality."

Switzerland hasn't taken part in any international armed conflict since 1815, but some Swiss soldiers help with peacekeeping missions around the world.

Many Swiss see gun ownership as part of a patriotic duty to protect their homeland.

Most Swiss men are required to learn how to use a gun.

Swiss President Ueli Maurer pauses during a shooting-skills exercise — a several-hundred-year-old tradition — with the Foreign Diplomatic Corps in Switzerland on May 31, 2013.

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.

All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained.

After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.

Switzerland is a bit like a well-designed fort.


Switzerland's borders are basically designed to blow up on command, with at least 3,000 demolition points on bridges, roads, rails, and tunnels around the landlocked European country.

John McPhee put it this way in his book "La Place de la Concorde Suisse":

"Near the German border of Switzerland, every railroad and highway tunnel has been prepared to pinch shut explosively. Nearby mountains have been made so porous that whole divisions can fit inside them."

Roughly a quarter of the gun-toting Swiss use their weapons for military or police duty.



In 2000, more than 25% of Swiss gun owners said they kept their weapon for military or police duty, while less than 5% of Americans said the same.

In addition to the militia's arms, the country has about 2 million privately owned guns





The Swiss government has estimated that about half of the privately owned guns in the country are former service rifles. In 2007, the Small Arms Survey found that Switzerland had the third-highest ratio of civilian firearms per 100 residents (46), outdone by only the US (89) and Yemen (55).

Switzerland is also one of the richest, healthiest, and, by some measures, happiest countries in the world.

Switzerland was ranked fourth in the UN's 2017 World Happiness Report.

The Swiss were applauded for high marks on "all the main factors found to support happiness: caring, freedom, generosity, honesty, health, income and good governance" the report's authors wrote.

 

Clearly this means that we must ban FBI agents from having guns!

It's much more difficult for the USA to ever become as anti free speech as the UK due to the fact that we have a written Constitution which contains the 1st Amendment. The point of the post that you quoted is that the original intent of the 2nd Amendment has to do with protection against a tyrannical government. While the UK is now basically an authoritarian police state when it comes to anti free speech PC "hate speech" laws I don't think that the time has come for armed resistance there yet. Peaceful protest? Yes.

But let me now turn this back onto you, DL.... If all guns are removed from the hands of the citizens what protection would the citizens have against a government that became tyrannical?

(BTW I don't even currently own a gun. In the post that you quoted I was simply posting an adaption of an online meme that someone had posted in a YouTube video. I tried to search for the original pic to post in this thread but couldn't find it. If I had I would have posted that instead. I should have made it more clear that I was copying something that I saw online rather than my own words.)

 

There is no such thing as "assault" weapons. Assault is an action, not a weapon. I have yet to see one military grade weapon in the hands of civilians.

 

Lawyer's are getting rich because of guns and cops. Just having a gun in the wrong place at the wrong time it will cost you $1000,s to get out of it.

 

Toddlers Continue To Shoot Themselves And Others On A Weekly Basis

 

Sounds like an irresponsible parent problem, not a gun rights issue...

 

NRA = National Russian Association?

Web of elite Russians met with NRA execs during 2016 campaign:
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WASHINGTON - Several prominent Russians, some in President Vladimir Putin's inner circle or high in the Russian Orthodox Church, now have been identified as having contact with National Rifle Association officials during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, according to photographs and an NRA source.

The contacts have emerged amid a deepening Justice Department investigation into whether Russian banker and lifetime NRA member Alexander Torshin illegally channeled money through the gun rights group to add financial firepower to Donald Trump's 2016 presidential bid.

Other influential Russians who met with NRA representatives during the campaign include Dmitry Rogozin, who until last month served as a deputy prime minister overseeing Russia's defense industry, and Sergei Rudov, head of one of Russia's largest philanthropies, the St. Basil the Great Charitable Foundation. The foundation was launched by an ultra-nationalist ally of Russian President Putin.

The Russians talked and dined with NRA representatives, mainly in Moscow, as U.S. presidential candidates vied for the White House. Now U.S. investigators want to know if relationships between the Russian leaders and the nation's largest gun rights group went beyond vodka toasts and gun factory tours, evolving into another facet of the Kremlin's broad election-interference operation.

Even as the contacts took place, Kremlin cyber operatives were secretly hacking top Democrats' emails and barraging Americans' social media accounts with fake news stories aimed at damaging the image of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton and boosting the prospects of Republican Donald Trump.

It is a crime, potentially punishable with prison time, to donate or use foreign money in U.S. election campaigns.

McClatchy in January disclosed that Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller was investigating whether Torshin or others engineered the flow of Russian monies to the NRA; the Senate Intelligence Committee is also looking into the matter, sources familiar with the probe have said. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because the inquiries, which are part of sweeping, parallel investigations into Russia's interference with the 2016 U.S. elections, have not been publicly announced.

NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said, however, that the FBI has not contacted the group.

A photograph taken during a 2015 trip to Russia by leaders of the powerful group showed them meeting with Torshin, Rogozin and Rudov, and a source knowledgeable about the visit confirmed the gathering. The source spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid damaging relationships.

The NRA, Trump's biggest financial backer, spent more than $30 million to boost his upstart candidacy; that's more than double what it laid out for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, and the NRA money started flowing much earlier in the cycle for Trump.

Torshin has drawn focus in part because he was implicated in a years-long investigation by Spanish authorities into money-laundering by the Russian mob. Spanish prosecutor Jose Grinda, who has led that investigation, was in Washington late last month and met with FBI officials for several hours, a well-placed source said.

During his visit, Grinda also acknowledged in an appearance at the Hudson Institute that a few months ago his office provided the FBI with transcripts of wiretaps in which a since-convicted Russian money-launderer spoke with Torshin and called him "El Padrino" €" Spanish for godfather, Yahoo News reported.

Spanish authorities have alleged that Torshin helped launder money years ago into Spanish hotels and banks for Russian mobsters, a development first reported in 2016 by Bloomberg News.

Torshin was among 38 Russian government officials, oligarchs and companies sanctioned by the United States in April in retaliation for the Kremlin's U.S. election meddling and other aggressions around the world, including in Ukraine and Syria. It's unclear whether Torshin's NRA activities or his alleged money-laundering in Spain influenced the decision to bar Americans from doing business with him.

Now deputy governor of Russia's central bank, Torshin has denied mob ties, as well as any role in money-laundering in Spain or in secretly routing money to the NRA.

Last month on Capitol Hill, Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee who examined Russian interactions with the NRA reached a preliminary conclusion that "the Kremlin may also have used the NRA to secretly fund Mr. Trump's campaign."

Citing that finding, Democratic Reps. Ted Lieu of California and Kathleen Rice of New York asked FBI Director Christopher Wray in a May 24 letter to expand the inquiry to also explore whether Kremlin money flowed illegally to the NRA for use in influencing House and Senate races.

"Illegal campaign contributions by a foreign nation, especially one whose interests stand in stark contrast to those of the United States, threaten the very underpinnings of our democracy and cannot remain unchallenged," Lieu and Rice wrote.

The NRA reported spending $24.4 million to back Republican candidates for Congress in 2016.

Spokespeople for the FBI and Mueller's office declined to comment on the letter.

The senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee echoed concerns about whether Russian money might have found its way through the NRA to congressional races. California Rep. Adam Schiff said it's also important to trace whether the Russians used the prominent gun rights group to conceal financial backing for Trump to determine "whether that would constitute leverage against our now-president" €" a favor that could leave him beholden to the Kremlin.

In a weeks-long exchange of letters with Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, NRA General Counsel John Frazer disclosed that the group accepts foreign donations, but that none has been used in elections and that Russian contributions and member dues totaled $2,500 in 2016.

In April, Frazer cut off the exchange without divulging any of the group's so-called "dark money" donors, who are allowed to contribute anonymously and can further shield their identities behind shell companies. It is unclear whether the group has traced the sources of all of those funds.

Of the $30 million the NRA reported spending to support Trump, more than $21 million was spent by its lobbying arm, whose donors are not publicly reported.

Two NRA insiders say that overall, the group spent at least $70 million, including resources devoted to field operations and online advertising, which are not required to be publicly reported.

NRA officials first forged a relationship with Torshin, a close Putin ally, and his protege, Maria Butina, in 2011. Soon, Torshin helped Butina start a Russian gun rights group called Right to Bear Arms. In 2016, upon Trump's election as president, Torshin tweeted that he and Butina were the only Russian lifetime members of the NRA.

For five years, Torshin flew to the United States to attend the group's annual conventions, culminating in the 2016 affair in Louisville. Torshin briefly met Donald Trump Jr. at a dinner during the event, but failed in efforts to arrange a private meeting with Trump.

Months earlier, in December 2015, Torshin and Butina's gun rights group hosted an NRA delegation led by NRA board member and former President David Keene for a week of lavish wining and dining in Moscow.

During their visit, the NRA group met with Rogozin, who served as the deputy prime minister overseeing Russia's military industrial complex for seven years and previously was Russia's ambassador to NATO. Late last month, Putin put him in charge of the Russian space program.

Rogozin is a far-right nationalist who has "extensive ties to the Russian arms industry" that he managed and "is deeply hostile to the West," said Mike Carpenter, who was a Russia specialist while a senior Pentagon official in the Obama administration.

Another Russia expert, Atlantic Council fellow Anders Aslund, was flabbergasted that the NRA delegation met with Rogozin.

"I can't understand the NRA meeting with Rogozin since he was sanctioned in 2014," he said. " It's so embarrassing."

Rogozin, Torshin and ultra-nationalist foundation chieftain Rudov joined the NRA entourage during the visit and were photographed together at a meeting.

Rudov's career has kept him on a lower-profile trajectory running a conservative religious charity, the St. Basil's the Great Charitable Foundation. St. Basil's chairman and founder is Putin ally and Orthodox Church figure Konstantin Malofeev, a Russian billionaire sanctioned in 2014 by the U.S. Treasury Department because of his support for Russian-backed separatists who invaded Crimea early that year. Carpenter said Malofeev's foundation is used to support his various causes, which have included financing mercenaries who forcibly wrested control of eastern Ukraine from the Kiev government.

Lieu, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview that he finds it "very odd for Putin's allies to meet with the NRA, because they don't actually have a similar interest in making sure that people bear arms."

The Russian government has generally restricted citizens to owning a shotgun and, after five years of licensed use, a hunting rifle.

Given the web of contacts between top Russians and the NRA during the presidential race, Lieu said, it appears that "something very bad happened in 2016."



Hush....an alias

 

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